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Vedat has announced on the WaveRider thread on the DUC that v1.4.3.1 is now available…
It’s a free upgrade to existing users. This version brings Snow Leopard compatibility and a minor modification to low level handling.
More major improvements are on the horizon.
I wonder what the major improvements are. He is clearly not put off by Waves’ Vocal rider.
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I thought the little changes you would make would be easy on a second pass, rather than worrying about the overall levels. In other words, WR would get you close to where you want to be for your second pass.
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It didn’t improve when I added a compresser onto the same track. It’s like the dialogue needs to be compressed, THEN fed through Wave Rider. This would, in my view, make it redunant as I do not like to destructively change the original audio when mixing. Do you mean it DID improve? That would be my suggestion to use ever so slight compression before WR, if there wasn’t any applied during recording. You are a brave and a very patient man if you’re not using any compression and/or limiting during mixing. (or did I misunderstand?)
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I wonder if the Wave’s version would perhaps be more suitable in this case as you can change how much the controlling fader moves. Well, the Waves “version”, does not write the automation to the PT volume pane, it writes it to its internal pane, therefore their claims of it being un-colored etc are worthless, cause it’s still going through their signal path, adding delays etc. They took my concept but couldn’t apply the idea of being plugin-free after the first pass for obvious reasons.
With Wave Rider, you’re one bypass click away from handling the fader yourself on your controller.__________________
Vedat
Vedat at Wave Rider has released an excellent video showing how to use Wave Rider.
It is a serious case of a picture paints a thousand words, it is clear and shows what the effect of adjusting each of the controls will do.
Well done Vedat.
There has been some interesting comments on the Wave Rider thread here on the DUC.
Stereosurfer asked…
Is Wave Rider only works on first insert slot?This is a great tool, tons of thoughts to use this baby, like putting a de-esser in listen mode in front of WR to take out sibilance and pop in a more natural way…etc, so many possibility, but… I only have it working 2 times on Insert slot 2 or 3, and often it is not working correctly also on first insert slot, mostly the fader goes all the way to the top or the bottom, with default setting, and if I move it to another track, 100% chance a working instance of WR will go crazy after moving.I am on OS 10.6.1 and PT 8.03pr, both LE and HD, no other controller. Any idea?
Vedat (the designer of Wave Rider) replied…
Insert slot should not affect WR. But it should be put after all the other plugins to reflect the added gain.
If you’re having that full gain or full attenuation thing, just switch to Duck mode momentarily and switch back to Ride. That fixes it.
It’s a rare occurrence, we can’t pinpoint what makes it go like that. It might be related to opening or importing sessions that already have Wave Rider on them.Is this your first try of WR, or have you installed an older version in the past? If so, please do a clean install as described in the installation document.
Cheers!
Edit: I just realized you’re on 8.03pr. Apparently there are a few glitches Digi will have to iron out on that puppy.
Badjitter also asked…
I have tested WR only limited time, but I think it works often too hard to match the levels. What I would like to see:1. Target volume (WR has slider named output). If your audio is already making that output level, it should keep the volume slider at 0. Is it already making that?
2. Slider to adjust the behavior to louder and softer signals than target. Something like compression ratio. Often I wouldn’t want to flatten the levels, but add +3dB gain to signals that are -6dB below the target volume and add negative gain of -3dB to signals that are +6dB above the target volume. Makes sense?
Vedat replied…
Yes, WR will target whatever you set with the output slider. If it’s already that than it will keep it that way, but you’ll still see micro adjustments.
If you set your silence level high enough, you will find that low level signals aren’t boosted as much, depending on the behaviour slider. I am finishing a video hopefully this weekend to explain all this.
Kopper then mentioned Waves and their new Vocal Rider product…
“Vocal Rider is the first of Waves’ new series of mixing tools. This plug-in automatically “rides” the levels of vocal tracks. Instead of manually riding the physical mixing console fader or drawing in every level change on a DAW track, Vocal Rider does it automatically.
First, the user sets the target range of the vocal level in relation to the rest of the mix. Vocal Rider then compensates for all deviations from the target, raising or lowering the vocal volume. Unlike compression, Vocal Rider adds no additional coloring to the track.
Vocal Rider will soon be available from authorized Waves dealers and online.”
Sounds like Waves is going to take the Wave Rider approach… Another case of the “big guys” stealing a concept from the “little guy”?
To which Dmazurek replied..
Not really. The WR plug is meant to level out the audio based on internal dynamics. Sort of like a auto compressor. The Waves plug is designed to level the vocal against the rest of the mix by using the sidechain. Similar concepts but different intent and results it seems.I saw the Waves plug at AES, and it was just dumb IMO. Just mix the song for goodness sake, why do I need a plug to do that?? Especially for $400/800 native/TDM.
Vedat added…
Well at least we know they were lurking around here too.
Maybe you could do feature requests and bug fixes for other Waves products on this thread, cause it may be the only place they are looking at these days.
Finally PhilBuckle added this strange commendation for Wave Rider..
This thing is so cool.
I’m going to have to buy it.
I therefore hold you personally responsible for increasing my credit card debt.
Damn all you coding type people with cunning business tactics!!
Well the conversations do continue and I am interested to hear about the differences between Vocal Rider and Waves Rider. I am hoping to be able to do a comparison soon, just waiting for Vocal Rider to come out. But it does look as though Wave Rider has a number of unique features, not least of which is ducking.
